Comments on: Background Music

By: fliegenklatsche

fliegenklatsche — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:53:50 +0000

I won’t disagree about the forgetting of tabs upon quit, but there are SIMBL plug-ins that do that, like ForgetMeNot:

By: sinema

sinema — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:13:37 +0000

“The Mac plugin framework is really archaic ” So I understand there is no need to blame Adobe for the performance problems with the Flash plugin. I thought a new type of web plugin, different from Netscape plugins, had been introduced with Mac OS X and/or Safari. Any project to fix this?

By: Mark Rowe

Mark Rowe — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:39:49 +0000

name99, please try and keep the discussion relevant to the topic at hand and avoid making a technical discussion into a personal one. What you may interpret as condecension is likely the fact that any user of a WebKit-based browser may be participating in this conversation, not just those whom are technically inclined. It’s very difficult to know what level of knowledge to assume when composing a response in a situation such as that. Simplifications and explanations are provided so that those not intimately familiar with how things work can at least follow along, and to ensure that everyone is on the same page.

– Mark

By: name99

name99 — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:02:05 +0000

”
While I have nothing against the idea of Safari being able to run smoothly in perpetuity without restarting, I would question the need to keep your computer running constantly. There are only a finite amount of natural resources – it’s not a bad idea to conserve some when you can.
”

(1) Modern computers have this crazy new invention called “sleeping”. Look into it some time.

(2) Do you have no kids and a vasectomy? I do. If you don’t, then WTF right do you have to tell other people about saving natural resources? Any kids you bring into the world will utilize VASTLY more resources than my sleeping TiBook portable.

By: Mark Rowe

Mark Rowe — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:10:37 +0000

dilbertfan: Please take a look at the “Keeping in Touch” link in the navigation to the left. The easiest forum for getting help would be the IRC channel, as this is real-time chat with many of the WebKit developers.

By: dilbertfan

dilbertfan — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:52:29 +0000

I know this is the wrong forum.
As a newbie I need help as I am unable to build and run the webkit. Where does one go ?

Thanks in advance

By: hedrick

hedrick — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:28:43 +0000

I appreciate all the careful thought to how to handle background processing, but I’d really rather have it off. All the animations I see are ads. It’s bad enough for them to take resources while I’m watching the page. I certainly don’t want them doing it while I’m not.

I’m also getting tired of having Safari slowly degrade in performance, impacting the rest of the system.

I hope I don’t sound negative. I really like Safari. But I’m slowly moving to other browsers because of Safari’s impact on the system, and its insistence on my installing Flash even though I don’t want it. (Yes, I know there are shareware products for this, but my experience is that shareware system tools eventually cause more trouble than they solve.)

By: Mark Rowe

Mark Rowe — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:28:54 +0000

WebKit supports the WebKit plugin API as well as the Netscape plugin API. As Firefox only supports the latter, the majority of plugins for Mac OS X use the Netscape API so as to support as many users as possible. One exception to this is the QuickTime plugin which is installed as both a WebKit and Netscape plugin in recent versions of Mac OS X. From what I have seen the plugin API used by the Flash player isn't relevant to many of the performance issues that people have with it. There are other equally annoying issues such as excessive repainting of unchanged content which chews CPU unnecessarily. One pathalogical case is an HTML document with 10 or 15 YouTube videos embedded in it. YouTube videos load and display a static image until the user clicks on the play button. Somehow the Flash plugin manages to spend ~30% CPU time redrawing these 10 or 15 static images, even though nothing is actually changing. I've filed bug reports with Adobe on some of these issues, here's hoping they're fixed in future updates. One benefit of the Flash plugin switching to the WebKit plugin API is that the plugin would be in control of its idle handling, so background CPU usage would be entirely in Adobe's hands. This can be a positive or negative, depending on how you look at it.

By: antisexy

antisexy — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:16:37 +0000

“The Mac plugin framework is really archaic (in Safari and Firefox).” So I understand there is no need to blame Adobe for the performance problems with the Flash plugin. I thought a new type of web plugin, different from Netscape plugins, had been introduced with Mac OS X and/or Safari. Any project to fix this?

By: rien_a_faire

rien_a_faire — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:00:09 +0000

While I have nothing against the idea of Safari being able to run smoothly in perpetuity without restarting, I would question the need to keep your computer running constantly. There are only a finite amount of natural resources – it’s not a bad idea to conserve some when you can.