I don’t think the color mismatches are a Safari issue, per se, but I did pour my heart into this blog post that make the front page of Digg:

http://blogs.smugmug.com/onethumb/2007/02/14/this-is-your-mac-on-drugs/

It seems to me it’d take the pressure off the Safari team if OS X shipped in the config that Apple suggests its users switch to — a gamma of 2.2. Tell me where I’m wrong.

Thanks,
Chris

The up side to this is that images straight from the camera now are processed properly. I don’t see any downside with what you mentioned (Flash/CSS).

It’s not a complete resolution of the issue, but it’s a huge win-win step.

I hope you’ll consider it.
Jeffrey
(Author of the article you cited in your original post)

Sorry, excuse.

Is possible suggest a new topic ?

Safari, digital certificates and java policy.

I have some questios about it.

Thanks

Manuel

> Why do you say this? Is it because some some small percent of web authors might do image-to-background blending? (I’m not saying that’s a bad reason — heck, I do image-to-background blending — I ask because I want to understand your reasons).

Yes, this was indeed the reason claimed in my discussion with hyatt and others on IRC.

> As for CSS, as has already been mentioned, that’s defined to be sRGB, so should be translated from that to the local monitor/printer space.

The impression I got was that they are going to try to move towards this as time goes on.

> So that leaves Flash. It sounds as if you’ve made 99%+ of the images on the web render incorrectly so that Flash authors can have perfect color matching with standards-broken non-sRGB CSS colors? Or did I misunderstand something in your post?

Yep, that’s right. I think the idea was that web designers would rebel if their color-matched flash no longer matched.

The problem in Safari is about download certificates. When I collect the certificate !
And this is a problem in some CA. I tried in some CA internation and d`ont work. The problem is the Safari not open the window -DOWNLOAD, and the content of the certificate (cert. and public key) it is inside of Safari -like this page, but above, mixed with this posts.

If the process is functioned, run, the window -Download, open, download the certificate for desktop. This does not happen. The certificate it is inside of Safari, in the main window, mixed with the content of the page.

If you or other will be interested I I can send a print secreen.

My intention is that somebody tells this problem of Mr. HYATT and other developers for fix this problem, bug ?

Why Safari d`ont download, transferred, the certificates for descktop ?

Best regards

Manuel

> First of all, if you correct unprofiled images to sRGB, you have to correct all drawing to sRGB

Why do you say this? Is it because some some small percent of web authors might do image-to-background blending? (I’m not saying that’s a bad reason — heck, I do image-to-background blending — I ask because I want to understand your reasons).

As for CSS, as has already been mentioned, that’s defined to be sRGB, so should be translated from that to the local monitor/printer space. I can’t imagein a few translations are very CPU intensive, so that’s not really an issue….

So that leaves Flash. It sounds as if you’ve made 99%+ of the images on the web render incorrectly so that Flash authors can have perfect color matching with standards-broken non-sRGB CSS colors? Or did I misunderstand something in your post?

I should be clear that I know little about Flash except that I usually seem to dislike how it’s used, so I have little care about how it renders, and I certainly don’t think that everything should be dumbed down to its level just because it’s poorly designed.

I should also admit that I made up the “99%+” number (it’s probably a low estimate)

Finally, I’m sorry that you considered my criticizims of Safari’s color management to be “pot shots.” I have perhaps harsher words for Apple than for Microsoft because I don’t expcect cluefullness from Microsoft (and they don’t disappoint). If there’s anyone I would expcect to get this right it’d be Safari and Firefox, and it’s disappointing to see that’s not the case.

From what I understand from your post, I don’t agree at all with your reasons, but at least it’s good to know that there are reasons. Why, though, was the ability to set a default color space for unprofiled images removed from ColorSync?

Jeffrey

Before you can make progress on this, you probably need to go find your private key — the one you generated (or was generated for you) when you created your certificate signing request.

But, how do I strip the profile after generating the GIF or PNG? With Photoshop or imagemagick? And do i have to use this ‘convert +gamma 0’, as Jeff mentioned?

As far as whether to include the profile or strip it: that depends on what your goal is. If you want images which look the same on all platforms, and have vibrant colors, you should convert your image to sRGB and include the profile, and then only Mac gecko browsers will suffer.

If you want images which look the same on all mac browsers but could care less about windows/linux, you should convert the image to the profile of a generic Mac monitor. I’m not positive, but I think that the “Apple RGB” profile is close enough, and include the profile. This way at least clueful windows clients (if any ever show up) will show your image correctly.

If you want images which match your css colors, then you should convert to sRGB, and then strip the profile. Unfortunately they’ll look kind of unsaturated on the Mac, but you can get all the colors on your site consistent that way.

For an example of the kind of “unsaturated on the Mac” I’m talking about, see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tunaranch/269794437/

But there really is no good solution at the moment. Hopefully if Mac gecko browsers get their act together, then option 1 will work out well enough. Hopefully Safari will also follow the css/svg/etc. specs, and then, as long as everything stays sRGB, we should have consistency across the board.